I really appreciate the honest advise. You guys are telling me what I already knew but was afraid to say out loud. I would love to help these guys out, especially since one of them is my son but, I can't gift them the money. Business is business and if my chances of success are stacked against me from the inside out that could very well be what it is (a gift, not an investment). I understand the "community" protects itself but it's a shame an outsider can't help. I've tried to understand it watching my son develop his career and I'm not sure I completely get it yet...