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Thank you mate for detailing better. I understand a but better now I think. I am really anal with my tattoos, so I do look after them. I see that from your point of view, its as much to do with the culture of the tattoo world and I can respect that but things in life change, move on and can be different yet part of the same culture. Splitting it into groups is just another way to make a distance between the two types of art and in my opinion there really is no need. I am sure if I sat down the pub with you, we would get on great, we may have different tastes but I am sure that would not matter, to me atleast. Just because things have changed doesn't make either type of tattoo art and less of an art simply because you dislike the way it is heading :) Tattoos should live in harmony with each other. Respecting both sides of the industry seeing as people keep sticking labels on the different types of art. To me and maybe wrongly is all tattoos are one category, tattoos. That's it :) I can understand the part where you will get this Hollywood type people that do things for trends and ridiculous shit to be seen and I agree with you on that part but everything always has its downsides. You mention that you love the evolution of designs for tattoos, well to me the traditional looking tattoo looks just the same to me now as it was years ago. So to my untrained eye it hasn't evolved to much. The new styles of tattoo art are definitely evolving design wise wouldn't you say? Again I am a complete novice so please take that into account. I am just saying my view on things and I could be totally wrong but I hope I am not :) Ideally I would love to see ALL tattoos last and stand the test of time no matter the style and in 10 years time the new type of art would be recognized as tattoos by everyone.

I see your point :) What if both cars were going to drive forever? No one can predict the future and from what I personally have seen with my own eyes from the artists I chose is that this will last. Other artists or designs I cannot comment on. It seems a fad that when different groups of people are on different sides of the fence, they will be bias yet no one can show me proof that these types of tattoos will not last. Some won't, some will in my opinion but to write it off as a fail at the start and grouping every other tattoo that's not traditional in the fail catergory is a little bit negative and bias towards your side of the fence. If I was to say, put your money where your mouth is(not directed at the quoted mate) and say, let's have a wager of a £10,000 bet that my arm doesn't look like a blob in ten years time, would you take it? I would and seriously would take that if anyone is that sure that only traditional tattoos last. I am not sure but I believe in what I saw with my own eyes. I may lose the bet but you may lose also :) Would any of you traditional guys/gals get a modern type tattoo if you knew it would last forever or do you just not like the art itself? :) Please if anybody has any concrete proof via pictures, would you mind posting them? Cheers

Totally agree with you mate about the way things are heading these days. It will only get worse in many avenues including the ones you mentioned. As far as tattooing goes, I am a complete novice but I know what I like the look of. I like the stuff that is about now days compared to the traditional type tattoos (although I have seen many awesome traditional tattoos that I like but would never get). I also prefer B/G with just hints of colour. From what I gather, is everyone absolutely sure that (lets use my pieces as examples) all my tattoos will look like blobs? Do we all have to get traditional tattoos to stand a chance of having some nice looking tattoos in lets say ten years time? I don't like the sound of that really. I never had the bad experiences you had with artists but I am sure it happens. I will say I prefer the whole feel of the old traditional type tattoos, lifestyle, the people etc instead of the sometimes fake Hollywood shit. For instance Moni Morino, she is plastering herself all over the web in poses and fucking stupid shit she doesn't need to do. She's a good looking chick and a talented artist in my opinion but doing so many cheesy photo shoots. Money! I feel money seems to destroy good times and feelings. I have money and i've seen mates I grew up with from the ages of of like 4 turn into complete pricks because they got money and some power job wise. Like the rave scene which I loved when it was underground. Soon as it was seen the amounts money that was involved it started to go shit, driven into a controlled environment, to make even more money. What is it about your tattoos that you hate? Was it the experiences or the actual tattoo looks like crap now? As I mentioned in an earlier post. I witnessed with my own eyes a piece like what you are all describing, colour, no outline etc that was done 5 years before and looked immaculate. How would you guys explain this? I am genuinly interested in your answers as you all have so much more experience. I just went and got what I liked and never once thought about the longevity until I got to Dmitriy. One last question. For the people that do not like or want to get a traditional tattoo, what other options are there left for people like us? lol Sorry for the long post :)

The mind is a powerful thing :)

Yeah he is doing some amazing works. This is the piece, amazing! upload pic

hey mate, that's a lovely piece you have. Its just that sometimes it feels like the old school type tattoo people (sounds wrong labelling people lol but you know what I mean) seem to really want these new types of tattoos to fail. All i ever get and its always from the same crowd is "that wont last, blah blah blah" From what I have seen, they look very likely to last, obviously dependent on artist and techniques which I know nothing about :)

Not sure what you are trying to read, nothing to be read there lol On a more serious note :) No need to be sorry mate, I will probably not even be alive in 10 years lol. I got it for now and however long it lasts, it lasts. I know alot of people specially on this forum are all for the old school type tattoos that do stand the test of time and everywhere that old school tattoo people say the same thing. Its like the Old school tattoo people vs the new type of tattoo art artists are throwing out nowdays. No one is sure really whether they will last, you can only presume, inks are better, machines etc. I am not talking about mine but all of this new type of tattoo work seems to get the same treatment specially from people like yourselves that are into old type tattoos, which I am not. I never wanted an old school tattoo and was only until I saw this new art that I fell in love with tattoos. I can appreciate the artwork but I just don't like old type tattoos even though I grew up around them :) I did ask Dmitriy while I was in Odessa about my concerns and the fine details, so he sent for a friend he did 5 years previously with an intricate piece of this new type of art that people are saying wont last (no outlines etc) to show me how it aged. I have to say it was like it was done yesterday and exactly the same as what I saw on the internet years before. So I live in hope lol Some folks on here said because I have alot of black it should hold up better, either way I don't care, at the time I got it, its a beautiful piece of art whether it lasts or not:)

Wow really? My brother got a piece at the London Convention this year by EN. I was sat talking to them both as Alex De Pase was working on me in the next booth. Didn't seem like the stuff they normally do?

Yep thanks, I would rather ask first than just take all info he has obviously worked hard on :)

Just wondering who this piece is by and is it classed as traditional or new traditional. I love it :)

Just wondering if the person who do this blog minds me using his hard work to add them to the list?

Thanks mate, added :)

No worries mate :) Annoying thing with Google maps is after 200 entries, you get pages. So at the bottom are the pages, kinda annoying!

Wow nice blog and alot of info for just North America lol I will go through it eventually :) Mando Rascon-Immaculate Tattoo, Mesa, http://www.mandorascon.com/ - - - Updated - - - Hi mate thanks for the tips. Some of those are already on there and would appreciate anyone wanting to add someone to check first that its not on there already as it will take me loads of extra time :)

FUCK, that's alot lol Are they all good artists on that list? I went through a few at a glance, some are dead RIP! Some are no longer working but the ones I did see all look good. Will take me awhile to go through this lot, thanks for link :)

Thank you mate, all added :) Keep them coming!

Always nice to see the pictures for inspiration I think :)

Had a cancellation from Victor for the 27 and 28th of this month, I just had to take it lol so on my way to Poland again :)

Yes you are correct, the first photo was with my camera phone and the second with a professional camera with which I will be using for the next ones so they should be the same :)

I was bored one Sunday and thought I would make a map of decent artists around the world, with their details and small thumbnail of the style they do. I thought it might also help new people to find an artists near them :) I am adding to it all the time and trying to incorporate all styles, so if you don't find someone on the list and they should be, I can add them :) or if anyone feels that someone shouldn't be! I know alot of the people on here are into old school tattoos, which are basically the ones I know least about. Anyhows, here is the link :) Enjoy! The ForbesTAT List! - Google Maps

the second one down has been done as a tattoo :)

Thanks mate :) I am trying to document the sleeve over time to see how it holds up being such fine detail in places. So far I only have one picture of a before and after as not much time has passed but I will link it below :)

Thought I would post this as I am sure you all have seen it a million times. Looks ace now :) Scott Versago http://www.facebook.com/versago Quote, I got to tackle the official "#1 worst portrait tattoo in the world" today. I'm sure you've all seen it a million times online, as had I. I couldn't believe my eyes when this guy walked in and showed me this project. I think my jaw literally hit the floor. He went on to tell me the story behind the portrait; He had just married his beautiful wife and not even three months afterwards she was killed in a horrible house fire accident leaving him to raise their three children alone. Shortly after he went to a local tattoo studio to memorialize his wife and was left with this abomination. He later returned to that studio for one more session, thinking that perhaps "he had done something wrong in the healing of the tattoo" and they butchered it even more the second time. Finally, he drove all the way to my studio, Empire Ink, just to meet me and to see what his options were. Touched by his story, I gifted the entire project to him for free. Now he has closure and I have an amazing story to add to my portfolio!

Why the media still make so called tattoo documentaries and then showcase all the wrong parts of the industry, like C4 for example here in the UK.

I agree with alot you have said. The guy has been surrounded by internet and Facebook and probably as you say doesn't have alot of real idea being around, growing up around tattooers. I will admit I am the same. I got into tattoos late, had pretty much only the internet to use as research. For me personally most things qualify as art to someone. Throw an egg at a wall and someone will call it art. I love all styles of art and tattooing, be it old school, realistic or a blob of colour, if it is done great. As you said most of these realistic pieces use images that are available to everyone on the web. What I am not sure about is the law here with copyright. As I understand it, once you post something on the internet it is available for anyone to use?I am probably wrong here. The part about the Hells Angels running things to me sounds like a load of old bollocks lol I do think artists should take photos of their work if possible when healed.