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I shouldn't have even posted in this thread at all to begin with. The whole idea of this is ludicrous. And robot surgery comparison can kiss my ass. You missed the point completely.

Thank you, how is it that nobody else mentioned this? Way way too many variables like this make actual tattooing with a robot impractical at best. Did you just seriously compare writing a new computer program with doing a physically invasive procedure like getting a tattoo? Are you fucking kidding me?

Yes to some degree, but also worth noting is that there were far fewer than there is now so the amount of crap out there is significantly greater. I think that there was also less 'ambitious' types of tattooing going on, meaning that most scratchers were doing plain traditional tats and maybe tribal at best. I'm talking about home scratching with a machine not jailhouse guitar string style.

Derailing into what is most likely a can of worms. I think that having 3 or 4 tattoos and one of them looking like complete shit is a bit different than having a good 20 to 30 good tattoos and a very good understanding of them and after that getting one that you know will be like shit. Not every single tattoo is always result-oriented; chew on that and agree or disagree but I stand by what I mean in the most vague of terms. I do think that it's an 'earn your right ' (stupid fucking cliche term, but in this it has to be used) situation and in this case I really mean it above and beyond other 'earned rights' like hand tats.

Chaz. No more need be said.

Yup, I'll be one of those graybeards on the hill. Call me Old Man Stalefish.

^ I saw that as well. Never too old to have fun man. A few years ago my buddy and I were snowboarding here in CO and were at a halfway point on the mountain waiting for the lift. In front of us was some dude who we saw ripping just earlier. He turned around to talk to his friend and he was 65 if he was a day. PWee turned to me and said "looks like we got at least 25 years left to do this".

Actually, yes. And I own some that I bought or traded other artists for. And I've made some myself. To assume your judgement of 'what art is' is the gospel is pretentious at best.

Taxes. Outside of that everything is great.

THIS

There are a lot of little known people out there doing spectacular tattoos. The tattooer doesn't have to have a 'name' for me to say "wow that's a great tattoo".

I'm gonna reel it back to Bunny's OP about homemade tats, not old faded ones from a shop. Yes, when someone shows me the horrible mess that they let someone tattoo on them for 3 or 4 hours I question their level of common sense.

He also did a lot of roids and beat up his shop help, and the animals in the cages in the basement were not exactly well kept. I mean, what kind of a decent human being locks up wild cats and animals in the basement? The reality of the sentiment and the nostalgia is that some of these people were just lousy human beings.

Add some tigers in the basement & it sounds like Roy Boy's shop hah

Bunch of good advice from all sides here. Agreed on these fronts; If it really comes to it and you are determined then sit down with your tattooer and talk about what works best. Too many shades and tones in a flower and leaves that size esp in a traditional tattoo doesn't look 'proper'. Over analyzing. Live with it for a few months before making a decision to change it; it might grow on you just as is. That being said, if someone said they are just dying to add some other colors the best options imo would be either a small one color burst from behind it or a color (maybe 2!) in the banner but not both options and not too much of anything at all. That's just too rainbow-y and looks like a bad fail not a good fail. That was my attempt at a clever witticism with the banner quote but that's the best I have at the moment. Consider colors not used already but not pastel-ish or muted tones. I would offer the idea of whipping some golden yellow from the fail side in and whip some blue or aqua from the better side in. Gold being a lighter color will balance with amount of red green and black on that side and blue being a fairly mid tone color will work since there's not very much else close to that part of the design. More green or an orange just would look too similar to what's there. But mostly just live with it for a few months. It looks fine.

Going to see OM on 4/20 in Denver, and it's also closing day at Vail. Should be a fucking awesome day. - - - Updated - - - I understand completely. I had to pass up a few good shows in order for me to move across the country. Worth it though.

That's gonna be a great show, slightly jealous hah

First thing I wanna say is that I think you're awesome and one if my favorite people here. Also that the level if respect I have for you is extremely high; this is a tough fucking job and you have to be a damn strong person to do it. That is multiplied exponentially by being a woman tattooer; in such a male/macho dominated field you have to have a backbone of steel, so you go girl. High five. Even the best of friends have differences of opinion from time to time. If someone said that experienced happened while getting tattooed by Sailor Jerry I would not be surprised; if someone said that happened while getting tattooed by Hardy I would be really surprised. Best of friends but just different people and approaches to business.

I have to respectfully disagree with most of this Bunny, I've been getting tattooed for a long time and at many shops as well, and can also speak from my experience on the other side of the counter. There has always been trash and there has always been professional courtesy. The idea that because it's a tattoo shop that it's an excuse to be a piece of trash isn't something I can condone or respectfully agree with. For longer than you and I have been doing this there have been tattooers that don't act like that. Even the HA I worked for didn't act like that and called out other tattooers and bikers that worked for him if they said shit like that, and he's a tough take no shit MF that most would assume might be that type of trash. If someone said that to my wife or gf they would definitely get punched in the face, and that would've happened 30 years ago as well as yesterday.

Saw Spirit Caravan last week; last time I saw him/them play was in 2000 Such a good show too, he was kicking ass and I was not disappointed.

Yeah I read about that and wanted to vomit. Disgusting isn't even in close proximity to how horrible that is. This is so transparent it would be laughable in any other situation. Here it is just sad, fucked up, and glaringly obvious as to the fact that when it comes to money the only real law is lawyers.

^all it does is bleed *not that I've tried; I just know better

The Lord loves a working man, don't trust whitey, see a doctor and get rid of it.

@SeeSea a few years back I got the back of my head split open and when the doctor stapled me back together she said by sheer luck bringing it back together lined up my tattoo back there perfectly.

I'm not sure; I just put myself in his hands and let him stick me anywhere for whatever reason & I don't ask any questions. Hah. Yeah that one is neat; to me it's a flash where it feels like a mild electric stimulation that only takes a millisecond but I can still feel it travel from crown to toe in that instant. Wild.