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Well guys I finished this thing up on Saturday! Added the dove, light rays, and clouds! Came out beautiful! Really considering making this into a sleeve. Trying to figure out ideas that could flow with the design. thought about an eyeball with my brother and I’s silhouettes in the reflection for my inner arm.

Looks great, I love the dove! I’m sure your artist will be able to guide you with some more ideas to turn it in to a sleeve. Congrats! 👍

Talk to your artist and let him sketch some stuff up.

That is not a thing. Any decent tattoo artist isn't going to take some rando sketch and tattoo it on you. Talk to tattoo artists. Learn what makes a good tattoo. No one here is going to sketch for you because that is not how any of this works. Good luck.

As often happens on the internet, you got advice you don’t like. Some of the people giving that advice have several hundred hours experience getting tattooed. I re-read your post. You’re right about so many items being a back piece. Depending on how detailed it is, this would probably run 35+ hours. A good artist is going to be $100 or more an hour. depending on how well you sit it could run 8 or more sessions. Most people find the back painful. It’s hard to care for just because it’s hard to reach some spots. That’s a huge commitment for a first tattoo. Here’s some more advice you won’t like. Get a smaller tattoo on an easy place like your bicep first so you have some idea what you are getting in to.

What I ended up with on the inner thigh. Hamstring scorpion and rose in two weeks!

This is what I've got going on as of now. I could use some ideas, I've two appointments coming up in the next few weeks and wanting to get something to finish up the inner thigh and the hamstring area. Looking for some direction on what would work well. Thanks in advance!