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So pleased I'm all done with my back.

Kyle Hollingdrake who tattoos at the Okey Doke in Toronto wrote a thing about a specific design website, parts of which relate to the matter at hand:

Kristen, Watch this, and listen closely to what Chris is talking about (especially around the 2 minute marker). Hopefully it will enlighten and educate you a bit.

Your sarcastic remarks are not appreciated. Please let me engage in quality conversation about quality tattoos without further tattitude from you mister tatty mctat pants.

Update on second sleeve from YB Shige, went down two days ago: Postimage.org / gallery - IMG 4084, IMG 4085, IMG 4106, IMG 4107, IMG 4108 Outline, 10 hrs. another 7 to go, will post when finish in December, Cheers

You mean tattoo artists, "tattoo design" websites are a scam and a "tattoo designer" isn't a thing.

A tattoo enthusiast has tattoos. You're a tourist at best.

Tattoo Designs There is way more tattoo design going on than you guys think. It's all over the place. It is so common now, that someone who makes money off it who doesn't even have any tattoos would feel comfortable joining a forum for tattooed people and think they would be welcomed with open arms. I mean... that's a completely hypothetical situation that I just made up, but you can understand what I'm trying to say.

Adam hays did this on me.

@Kristen R Holbrook, let me try to put this another way: YOU DON'T GET IT. Your arguments don't make sense because you don't know what you're talking about. Feel free to take a look around this site and edumacate yourself a little bit about the art and culture of tattooing. Because honestly the more you say the more you insult some of the real professionals here and aspiring pros who are doing this the right way -- and annoy the rest of us who actually have tattoos and like tattoos and pay for tattoos from real tattooers. Otherwise you're just a parasite on the industry.

I really like this recent one by Kiku. It's not too sweet.

If someone particularly loves an artists style then they are better off buying a piece of art from that artist in whatever medium the artist specialises in. It's like commisioning an artist to do a watercolour painting, and then taking it to another artist and saying actually i'd like this as an oil painting. It makes no sense.

Do any of the tattoo artists here have any stories about clients bringing in commisioned tattoo designs?

This really sucks! If they screwed up your pay, won't they make it right eventually? There's still 3 weeks before the convention! If it helps at all I can pick you up on the way through T.O. I won't feel right driving past there knowing that an LSTer has been left behind...

Kristen - please go away. You have nothing to contribute here. You don't have tattoos, you don't want them, and nobody here is interested in looking at your drawings except to make fun of them. Nobody here would ever suggest going to anybody other than a tattoo artist for a design, and what you're doing has absolutely nothing to do with this site's mission of educating people about good tattoos.

Well, if you can handle menstrual cramps for 2 days, you can handle a couple of hours of tattooing... It's just an excuse, if you really love tattoos and tattooing, you'll deal with it. Otherwise, the whole kinda sorta not really watching from the sidelines thing comes back at you.

I'm trying to come up with something witty to say, but I think @Graeme and @BrianH have covered it... Being a highly respected/regarded tattooer/tattoo artist who creates sheets of flash that folks can choose from, then have individualized from there, that are based in sound tattooing practices and aesthetics, is simply wonderful and part of a long-standing tradition. I see no value in pre-made designs such as these. They are generic at best and cost the consumer more in the long run for something that a basic relationship with a quality tattoo artist should be able to accomplish. If folks think that this is the way to go, then IMO they should not be getting tattooed. And... fellow needle-phobe here - tattooing is totally not the same as getting a shot or blood drawn, and the "pain" is super temporary and no worse than menstrual cramps.

So I end up paying more?

Do tattooers give a steep discount if I bring in a pre drawn design? You did all the hard work so they just have to do a paint by numbers, right?

How much do you charge?

I don't get it... Needles bother the crap out of me too. Getting tattooed is a very different experience and sensation. You can't have a passion for something and only watch kinda from the sidelines. Go get something

And this is a practice people should stop. I've photocopied something from a cellphone before. It was as fun as it sounds.

Because you are paying a tattoo artist (an artist!) to copy another person's work. There is no soul, no heart, in it when you are paying a tattoo artist to basically be a copier. That is a travesty and degrades the whole profession and craft of tattooing as an artform.

I'm sold.

Sounds perfectly reasonable.

And you'd know this because you've been tattooed how many times again?

Why would someone do that?

To momentarily drag things off-topic, that's a beautiful Pharaoh's Horses that keeps showing up in the snapwidget thingy.

I'm glad to see you're sticking to this resolution.

Ladies and gentleman, he's back!

I see what you did there.

They're called "cattoos". Someone I know from the beach has her cats (past and present) faces and names up and down her arms, looks great! She gave one of the cats to a friend, but she's keeping the tattoo. I'd like to get my cat Chloe's face somewhere on me. She's so cute.

Having had my backpiece for a few months now, I gotta to say that I keep loving it more and more. I wanted to get one for years, and I'm so glad that I finally said "fuck it" and went ahead. The only downside is that I have to keep looking at photos of myself to get a proper view of it. Can't wait to start filling up areas that I can actually see myself. Here is a recent photo from my holiday in Ibiza.

Have just booked a slot with Eli Quinters at the London Tattoo Convention. No idea what I'm getting as they'll be bringing a book of 100+ designs to choose from. Not even sure where I'll get it, probably on my leg. In any case - I'm excited!

Finally got some mediocre pictures taken of my Fudo Myoo backpiece done by Chad Woodley here in Vancouver. We're going to get started on the background in the fall, and I'm definitely looking forward to getting it all finished up! Also, sorry about my butt!

Just got an appointment with Eli Quinters on the Saturday. Can't bloody wait!

I've posted em in a few different threads, but why not one more? Haha. I got these done by Grez at King's Avenue Tattoo.

if there is a thread for this, I didn't find it. Seth Wood Brian Warnekros Adam Hays

New to the tattoo forum, and of course I have questions, that's why I am here. I will try to wait until I post the 10, but really I do not know much about tattoo's, which is why I came here to begin with. After I have visited a couple of pages and read some of the posts, this seems like a pretty good forum. And "LST", I'm from the "STL"!!!

@SeeSea, thanks for sharing - that's all helpful info. I get chilly when sitting for some time, hadn't even thought of that. Off tomorrow to find a bra and a cosy new hoodie.

I sit in a massage chair with my face through the ring. I generally wear a camisole (one of the ones with the boob rack) during most of my back work - I just move it all around to fit whatever part of my back we are working on. For the location you are talking about, you might take one one strap down under your arm pit (I also do that when healing). I generally take both straps down to pull it lower. But since my chest is pressed against the cushion of the massage chair, clothing doesn't move or slide once we start. And I wear a backwards hoodie. Actually, two of them because I get cold easily. Good luck!

You're good at getting rad eagle chestpieces.

...I'm bad at connecting dots.

I don't understand how copying another persons work constitutes original anything? Is it fair to assume that this type of work are drawings and not tattoos because a tattoo artist understands the flow of the body regarding the piece and demonstrates a proficiency in a particular tattoo style (japanese, american traditional, biomech, etc)?

Pleasant happy positive thoughts!

Yep everything I've got from smith street I've had no idea what I wanted or where it'd go till I walked in, and couldn't be happier with any of the pieces Ive picked up

I kind of don't understand why names get singled out here. I don't have my wife's name tattooed on me, but we each have two of the same tattoos that might look like birds to folks who don't know, but when I look at those tattoos, they're aren't that much different than a name tattoo in terms of symbolic value. And for that matter, I've only been getting tattooed since I've been married and because tattoos are something we enjoy and do as a couple, and travel fairly frequently to get tattooed, so the tattoos and the whole experience of them is intertwined with our marriage. It's maybe not as obvious as a name, but it's still there. Bottom line is that tattoos are for adults and part of being an adult is making choices and decisions even if you might end up wishing you'd done something else some point down the line.

I am actually pretty glad for people who are so vocal about their stupid opinions, because it's fair warning for me to stay the fuck away. It's good.

this is from gil taimana. fucking badass