Can this be corrected ?

[MakaveliX]

The thought of having to pay a large amount of money for removal is pretty  grim.

As I said i'll leave it for now and consider it in the future

[oboogie]

Removal isn't an eraser. Keep that in mind. It would take a long time to remove that much black.

[MakaveliX]

  On 8/30/2021 at 5:47 PM, oboogie said:

Removal isn't an eraser. Keep that in mind. It would take a long time to remove that much black.

Expand  

Ya thought so.

My idea was something like this  which I quickly made on paint lol, before considering laser removal and then a cover up as that's gonna be really time consuming and cost a lot of money...

You guys said it wouldn't help so I may as well just leave it.

I did speak to a decent artist and they said doing a coverup on that would be  very difficult. Once I have some transport I can venture a bit further and find someone who could do a complete cover up or just incorporate it into a different design.

 

 

[oboogie]

Yeah, that's not going to work. Laser removal doesn't work like that.

Your choice is cover up or live with it. The coverup would have to be very huge and very black.

[MakaveliX]

  On 8/30/2021 at 9:09 PM, oboogie said:

Yeah, that's not going to work. Laser removal doesn't work like that.

Your choice is cover up or live with it. The coverup would have to be very huge and very black.

Expand  

OK so a skin colour line in the M wouldn't work at all ?😞  If it wasn't for the M i'd be happy with it.

I'll leave it for now then. Thanks for the advice, I won't be going back to that artist again.

[oboogie]

No. That wouldn't work. You're going to have to live with it.

Tattoos aren't perfect—ever. If you expect them to be, I really wouldn't get anymore tattoos if I were you.

[MakaveliX]

  On 8/31/2021 at 2:13 PM, oboogie said:

. You're going to have to live with it.

Tattoos aren't perfect—ever. If you expect them to be, I really wouldn't get anymore tattoos if I were you.

Expand  

Yeah I understand. All I can do is avoid that artist in future then. All of my other tattoos i'm 100% happy with. 

[Hogrider]

  On 8/29/2021 at 5:30 PM, MakaveliX said:

OK thanks!

There is a place that specialises in laser removal down the road so when I get a chance in the future i'll consider that.

I'll keep it as it as at the moment as i'm happier with it now. The edges are supposed to be spikey by the way. In my opinion it's just the " M " which lets it down, otherwise i'd be content with it. I do look at the M and think, how the hell did he manage to cock that up. I've shown a decent artist and they also agreed that guy I got the tattoo from did a terrible job.

And yes I know a very good artist round here so i'll speak to them about a cover-up in future

 

Thanks

Expand  

Not trying to shit on your new tattoo, but none of those lines are clean and there is a lot of ink bleeding over the lines. You need to know what makes a good and bad tattoo or you'll wind up with another one.

[Hogrider]

  On 8/30/2021 at 9:09 PM, oboogie said:

The coverup would have to be very huge and very black.

Expand  

A leopard in a cave eating a chocolate bar!

[MakaveliX]

  On 8/31/2021 at 2:32 PM, Hogrider said:

Not trying to shit on your new tattoo, but none of those lines are clean and there is a lot of ink bleeding over the lines. You need to know what makes a good and bad tattoo or you'll wind up with another one.

Expand  

Yeah it was a bad choice of tattoo, however personally I like it except for the " M "

As said earlier the artist should have straight up been honest and said that 1. They are inexperienced and don't specialise in negative space text.

and 2. That the design I showed him wouldn't work well.

My usual artist has over 20 yrs experience and is awesome. I thought i'd try somewhere different and he'd only been doing tattoos 2 years and is now a regret that I didn't go to my usual studio

[MakaveliX]

Who's to blame though, me, them or both of us ?

[oboogie]

  On 8/31/2021 at 2:56 PM, MakaveliX said:

Who's to blame though, me, them or both of us ?

Expand  

It doesn't matter who is to blame. You saw the stencil on your arm, didn't you? You let him tattoo you.

[Hogrider]

  On 8/31/2021 at 2:56 PM, MakaveliX said:

Who's to blame though, me, them or both of us ?

Expand  

If you didn't see multiple examples of his work in the style you wanted, then you are to blame.

But in the end it doesn't really matter because you are the one who has to wear the tattoo.

[MakaveliX]

  On 8/31/2021 at 6:31 PM, oboogie said:

It doesn't matter who is to blame. You saw the stencil on your arm, didn't you? You let him tattoo you.

Expand  

Well yeah but I thought he would make sure it was readable and wouldn't mess up the negative space on on the letters

[warrug25]

  On 9/1/2021 at 6:27 AM, MakaveliX said:

Well yeah but I thought he would make sure it was readable and wouldn't mess up the negative space on on the letters

Expand  

 

Please, allow me to give you an advice concerning not only tattoos but the whole range of human experiences: you can't think people will do something the way you would like them to do it, you must tell them how you want they to do it. We could discuss the possible faults of the artist for years, but that would not erase the fact that the tattoo will stay on your body and so it's for your own sake that you must tell the artist what you want and how you want it in the most detailed way.

[MakaveliX]

Is it a given that i'd need laser removal or could it be possible for a decent artist to work with it ?

[Hogrider]

  On 9/1/2021 at 6:41 AM, warrug25 said:

you must tell them how you want they to do it. 

Expand  

In general you are right, in this case though, are you really arguing that it's the client's responsibility to tell the artist that they want it readable and don't mess up the negative space? Does anyone want a big bold tattoo that's unreadable with messed up negative space? 

[Hogrider]

  On 9/1/2021 at 1:50 PM, MakaveliX said:

Is it a given that i'd need laser removal or could it be possible for a decent artist to work with it ?

Expand  

Yes and No.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. You've got a huge amount of solid black in there. I don't see how anyone could work with it. I'd be very leery about going to an artist that said they could.

[SStu]

In my opinion, several laser sessions on the specific areas of concern - followed by a re-work by a competent artist could clean it up a lot. You'll need good communication 1st with the prospective new tattooist about where and how large and then 2nd with the laser people with detailed instructions about where to concentrate. 

[MakaveliX]

  On 9/1/2021 at 2:12 PM, SStu said:

In my opinion, several laser sessions on the specific areas of concern - followed by a re-work by a competent artist could clean it up a lot. You'll need good communication 1st with the prospective new tattooist about where and how large and then 2nd with the laser people with detailed instructions about where to concentrate. 

Expand  

When you say " area of concern " do you mean the whole tattoo ?

[warrug25]

  On 9/1/2021 at 2:03 PM, Hogrider said:

In general you are right, in this case though, are you really arguing that it's the client's responsibility to tell the artist that they want it readable and don't mess up the negative space? Does anyone want a big bold tattoo that's unreadable with messed up negative space? 

Expand  

That's not what I said: what I said is that it's in the client interest to be sure that everything is performed as it should, and so it's indispensable that the client checks every possible detail and discusses everything explicitly with the artist.
In an ideal world where everyone behaves in a professional and proper way, there would be no need for such a meticulous approach... but as the case we are discussing in this topic clearly shows, that's not how the real world works, and so the client is forced to literally nitpick if he wants to be as sure as possible that the job will be performed properly.

[MakaveliX]

Did some research and removal can take years. And a serious amount of money

[MakaveliX]

Perhaps that suggests it takes years if you want to get it removed as much as you can without then having a cover up.

So I suppose as you guys say, get it removed as much as possible then speak to a good artist regarding a cover up.

[SStu]

  On 9/1/2021 at 3:33 PM, MakaveliX said:

Perhaps that suggests it takes years if you want to get it removed as much as you can without then having a cover up.

So I suppose as you guys say, get it removed as much as possible then speak to a good artist regarding a cover up.

Expand  

Yes, and "areas of concern" would be the specific parts of that tattoo where minimizing the current darkness might help the new artist re-draw and crisp up the lines. 

[Hogrider]

  On 9/1/2021 at 3:30 PM, warrug25 said:

That's not what I said: what I said is that it's in the client interest to be sure that everything is performed as it should, and so it's indispensable that the client checks every possible detail and discusses everything explicitly with the artist.
In an ideal world where everyone behaves in a professional and proper way, there would be no need for such a meticulous approach... but as the case we are discussing in this topic clearly shows, that's not how the real world works, and so the client is forced to literally nitpick if he wants to be as sure as possible that the job will be performed properly.

Expand  

Actually, you didn't say any of that in the post I responded to. I QUOTED what you said. Maybe you MEANT something different, but you didn't SAY it. I can only respond to what's posted, I'm not a mind reader.