Mel Noir Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 The best thing about Google+? The fact that notifications pop up when I'm checking my emails. I don't even have to use it that much to still be able to chat to everyone on it! Brilliant stuff. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-12660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddreamnation Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 i think it has potential to be pretty cool...still warming up to it though...if anyone wants to add me i am on there as brian kin-duh-mo Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-12670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight-Lines Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 Can Microsoft and Apple Kill Google's Android with Lawsuits?Jason Mick (Blog) - July 11, 2011 1:56 PM The smartphone war continues to rage on and Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android has stepped out into the lead. It outsold Apple, Inc. (AAPL) smartphones over 2 to 1 globally in the last quarter. And minority players like Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) were struggling to cling on to insubstantial market shares. I. Google: Market Champion or Buying Time? Android's race to the top was fueled by its support of an open ecosystem in which players like Motorola Solutions Inc. (MSI), Samsung Electronics Comp., Ltd. (SEO:005930), and HTC Corp. (TPE:2498) could all make Android devices without direct licensing fees (Google profited off of app sales and mobile advertising). The result was an ecosystem which frequently delivered hardware that was more advanced than Apple, Research in Motion, Ltd. (TSE:RIM), and Microsoft's offerings. And not only was the hardware better, the selection was broader too. But despite the appearance that Android won, the ecosystem is now facing the looming potential of doom. That doom could come thanks to Apple, RIM, and Microsoft's growing portfolio of purchased intellectual property and desire to sue Android handset makers into submission. Apple currently is suing HTC, Samsung, and Motorola in cases that stretch across multiple countries and continents [1][2][3][4]. Microsoft is suing Motorola as well and is using legal threats to try to force Samsung into a per phone licensing deal (as much as $15 USD per Android phone sold), as it did with HTC last year. Likewise, Oracle Corp. (ORCL) is seeking $6.1B USD in damages, claiming that Android is infringing on the Java patents it obtained in its acquisition of Sun Microsystems. The combined picture is clear. Apple and Microsoft have sued or entered into sweet licensing agreements with virtually every major Android maker (a few like LG Electronics Inc. (SEO:066570) have been spared, presumably on the merits of their smaller market share). II. Android Faces Death by Multiple Means The question becomes whether Android handset makers can remain viable in the face of these lawsuits. While a $15 USD licensing fee to Microsoft might not be lethal, if Samsung and HTC have to pay an additional $15 USD to Apple and $15 USD to Oracle, the result may be the phones will become unprofitable. On the other hand, if Google's handset partners refuse to play ball, they may be forced to pay even worse damages by international courts. Apple, Microsoft, and others have multiple routes to use their intellectual property to kill Android. III. Shadowy Alliance Beats Google for IP Treasure Chest Those efforts have been strengthened by the purchase of Nortel Networks' portfolio of over 6,000 patents. The telecom equipment maker put the portfolio on the market after it was forced to declare bankruptcy in 2009. Google hoped to win the portfolio, bidding $900M USD. It insisted that its purposes for acquiring it would be peaceful. In its blog its Senior Vice President and General Counsel Kent Walker explains, "[O]ne of a company’s best defenses against . . . [patent] litigation is (ironically) to have a formidable patent portfolio, as this helps maintain your freedom to develop new products and services." The comment would prove fortuitous, as Google was beat by a shadowy bidder calling itself "Rockstar Bidco". That bidder offered up $4.5B USD, an offer that was embraced by a cash-thirsty Nortel, leave Google's potential offer in the dust. So who was Rockstar Bidco? Turns out it was none other than Apple, Microsoft, RIM, and three other companies -- the same players who are working to use their already substantial IP to try to sue or license Android handset makers into the red. IV. U.S. Antitrust Regulators May Step In The plot to kill Android is so obvious that it has top antitrust experts screaming foul. Robert Skitol, an antitrust lawyer at the Drinker Biddle firm, opines in a Washington Post interview, "Why is the portfolio worth five times more to this group collectively than it is to Google? Why are three horizontal competitors being allowed to collaborate and cooperate and join hands together in this, rather than competing against each other?" Brian Kahin, a senior fellow at the Computer & Communications Industry Association, adds, "The one thing that's significant here is you have three of the four smartphone platforms ganging up on the fourth. You want patents for an economic benefit, not as a legal instrument." The questions Mr. Skitol and Mr. Kahin raises are reportedly being echoed among top U.S. antitrust officials. Pressure is mounting for the U.S. government to block or place serious restrictions on the "Rockstar Bidco" acquisition of the Nortel IP. The American Antitrust Institute sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Justice, begging them to limit the purchase. The sale is set to be made official on Nortel's antitrust proceedings today, though regulatory approval still awaits. Mr. Walker says the outcome of the pending sale could be a matter of life or death for the Android ecosystem and free market. He states, "This outcome is disappointing for anyone who believes that open innovation benefits users and promotes creativity and competition. We will keep working to reduce the current flood of patent litigation that hurts both innovators and consumers." V. From Bully to Victim: Google's Unusual Situation Google clearly won't go down without a fight, nor will its handset partners. But if the intellectual property pressure grows too great, the Android coalition may be rendered unable to compete. The situation is highly unusual, due to a number of reasons. First, Google itself is the subject of antitrust scrutiny on reports that it abused its dominant Android position to bully service providers. Second, the case represents a situation in which small players are able to team up and legally damage a clear-cut market leader -- a relative rarity. Thus Google -- which of late has become viewed as a bully of sorts -- finds the tables turned, and finds itself a clear victim. VI. The Big Picture While the possibility that Android, a beloved smartphone institution, could be sued out of existence by Apple, Microsoft, et al. is alarming to many, this incident in many ways serves most of all to illustrate much broader problems with the U.S. intellectual property system. Companies in the U.S. are laying claim to increasingly generic intellectual property and using that IP as instrument not to innovate, but to litigate. The street runs two ways in most cases -- often times IP lawsuits are followed by IP countersuits [1][2]. But often one player in the market is using IP as the general bully, while the other is trying to defend itself. Many argue the U.S. desperately needs intellectual property reform. But the federal government under both former President George W. Bush ® and under President Barack Obama (D) has been slow to act. The Nortel sale should offer a key signal to the market. If the federal government blocks it, it may be a sign that the era of using IP as an offensive weapon is coming to an end. On the other hand, if it's approved without restriction, it will offer a virtual blueprint of how to defeat your competitor. If the latter scenario plays out consumers may find themselves in an odd market where it's not the competitor with the best products that wins, but the company with the best lawyers and patent portfolio. DailyTech - Can Microsoft and Apple Kill Google's Android with Lawsuits? Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-12747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
s33ktruth Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 Yo I added some of you, I'm Thomas Storck...or [email protected]. Shawn what is your email, there are a few Shawn Porters when I search Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-12804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 A friend just invited me and I'm a little overwhelmed. I don't think I need another social media site in my life.... If it replaces FB that's fine I guess Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight-Lines Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 It takes a few days to get the hang. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnPorter Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Yo I added some of you, I'm Thomas Storck...or [email protected]. Shawn what is your email, there are a few Shawn Porters when I search I added you to my LST circle. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddreamnation Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 shawn i added you as well. hope that's cool! Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerie Vargas Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 im gonna wait and let my profile be public when they allow integration with twitter and wordpress. i'd rather use google + than facebook any day. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flores Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I am intrigued. If anyone would be so kind to send me an invite at [email protected] that would be great mmmkay........... Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursula Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 it's been sent! David Flores 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flores Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Thanks Valerie and Ursula! I guess I can kiss Wednesday goodbye. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCanada Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Was wondering if someone would be kind enough to send me an invit, email address is [email protected] please and thank you. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsRad Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 just joined! but i'm not sure about how to invite anyone yet, so i'll figure it out and get back to you. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnPorter Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I shot you an invite, Cap. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Flores Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 just joined! but i'm not sure about how to invite anyone yet, so i'll figure it out and get back to you. I think if you look in the right margin while you are viewing your profile or on your home screen there is an icon to invite people. MsRad 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptCanada Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 thank you both Valerie and Shawn, guess like I have to get on a computer to set up an account, can't do it on my ipod. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsRad Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 i'm adding a lot of people, just fyi... Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsyd Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I'd like to check it out, if anyone can invite me thatd be great [email protected] thanks Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-13879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAllen Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 decided to bump this thread to see if anyone is using this more...i still hate facebook so i wont use it but i've been using the google+ more so it'd be cool to see some of the good folks migrate away from facebook to it. haha i'm at [email protected] Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/956-google/?page=2#findComment-22551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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