taaarro Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Dear admins, if this is too basic a question for a thread, or if it has been covered elsewhere please delete it. Until very recently, I appreciated Japanese style tattoos, but was totally uninterested in getting them. It probably had lot to do with growing up in Tokyo and living here again now. Ever since a tattooer friend recommended (or implanted the idea of) getting a thigh done tebori "for the experience," I've been semi-obsessing about it. Who are your favorite tebori artists and why? It seems the styles, from the width of the windbars and palette, to drawing styles, are so varied. Do you like the artists doing classic work or the younger artists making "innovative" work? Some younger Japanese tattooers seem to be heading in a SSTP direction of simplification, where ultimately, classic tattooing, whether Japanese or American, becomes almost the same (except in subject matter). Some others' works seem too anime-influenced for my tastes. Even among older artists of a similar region, there's also a lot of variety. For example, Horitoshi I's work looks completely different from Horikyo's works and they are both Tokyo-based. Just curious about all your opinions. Horikyo Horitoshi 1 Anak, Iwar, el_alquimista and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I love the tebori work of the Horitoshi Family from Horitoshi 1, Horimitsu, ShunHo, and Shinji Horizakura. The depth of the black wind bars are amazing the colors are so vivid and bold. However my favorite tebori tattooer is actually US based now, Horitomo. I feel he is doing his best works these days and hoping one day to be able to get something from him: kylegrey, Graeme, Lance and 14 others 17 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fala Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) I am getting a small tattoo done by Horizakura at the moment. I love how the bars interweave between the foreground and the background. (Edit: I am not getting a tattoo with wind bars, yet.) Edited November 5, 2013 by Fala (Edited for grammer, conciseness, etc...) ironchef and taaarro 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 This in-progress bodysuit is pretty breathtaking: By Horimatsu Fala, beez, Anak and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_alquimista Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Man there ara so much good artists and masters i would have a bad time picking only one of them. my right arm will be japanese style, and i think for the moment Horimitsu from the Horitoshi family is my favourite. Lance, hogg and ironchef 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhell Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Horimasa Tosui from the Horitoshi Family is my favourite. In my opinion his doing some of the best Tebori oneshots (and big work) in the business. It´s very easy to recognize that his master is Horitoshi 1; These are 12 years old. Look how bright they still are; I got this one from him earlier this year: I also love alot of other Tebori-artists, some of them are mentioned over here. Horizakura, Horitomo.. cltattooing, Lance, el_alquimista and 18 others 21 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I like Horimitsu of the Horitoshi Family a lot. His colors are also very vivid and bright. His designs take on an abstract approach at times to traditional Japanese tebori themes. I've follow his Instagram religiously. Missed out on an opportunity to get tattooed by him at this past NYC Tattoo Convention. Hopefully he'll come to the next one! taaarro, Wilhell, 49531 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylegrey Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I like the work of Nakamura Toshikazu also and it's a little different in style from the others above . Here's a link to his site and if you want to view his portfolio click the first grey box with Japanese writing in it , he's also on IG . Also I've previously posted pieces from him in the chest / torso thread . http://shisei2011.web.fc2.com/ Wilhell, beez, Brock Varty and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergiozoolander Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I had pleasure to be tattooed two times on my leg by Bunshin Horitoshi, one in London Convention and another in her home-studio in Tokyo, is an amazing tattooer and very nice guy. Other young tattooers that I deeply admire are Horimomo and Bunshin Yozin (Yozin Irezumi facebook name), they make really strong and bold works. ironchef, Wilhell and taaarro 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Strictly speaking japanese style artists who do tebori, I'd agree with what @ironchef said. Anyone from the Horitoshi family is amazing. Lately I've been pretty fixated on all of them. @kylegrey also mentioned him but Nakamura Toshikazu also intrigues me. His style seems more classic and simpler. Horitomo however is talent incarnate. He's definitely the favorite of mine. taaarro 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1steaks Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 I'm in the process of getting my front done by Horitomo. I'll post some pics in the future. cltattooing, Iwar, Graeme and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taaarro Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 @kylegrey, Yes I am totally interested in Toshikazu Nakamura's work. It seems very old school. I'm thinking that as a Tokyo native, I want to go to a Tokyo artist though. @ironchef I'm interested in Horimitsu's work too. The red dragon back piece he did is phenomenal. Very progressive take on mikiri. ironchef, cltattooing and Graeme 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogg Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 For some reason, I thought you were an American living in Tokyo, @taaarro. Horimitsu would be a great choice! I've been tattooed by tebori by Horitomo and Horimasa (of the Horitoshi family). Definitely an interesting experience. Duffa, Wilhell and ieatass4free 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeRnDoG Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 That Horitomo front piece on Mike Rubendall is stunning. I am a huge fan of his work, his take on traditional Japanese has a elegance and power rivaled by none I think. I love the tebori work of the Horitoshi Family from Horitoshi 1, Horimitsu, ShunHo, and Shinji Horizakura. The depth of the black wind bars are amazing the colors are so vivid and bold. However my favorite tebori tattooer is actually US based now, Horitomo. I feel he is doing his best works these days and hoping one day to be able to get something from him: Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cork Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I'm going to ask some stupid questions, but first are there any good documentaries, books, or other media where I can learn more about Japanese tattooing that anyone can recommend? I have gleaned a lot from this forum alone, but I just want to learn more. You might think that since I have a back piece, and I'm eventually working toward a body suit, that I would know more than what I really do. When it comes to family tattooing, for example "the Horitoshi family", are they legitimate family, or is it sort of an honorary title for being an apprentice? And when does the Horitoshi name get passed down? Does Horitoshi 1 bestow it on his death bed? Retirement? Will there ever be a Horitoshi 2, or a Horiyoshi 4? Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I'm going to ask some stupid questions, but first are there any good documentaries, books, or other media where I can learn more about Japanese tattooing that anyone can recommend? I have gleaned a lot from this forum alone, but I just want to learn more.You might think that since I have a back piece, and I'm eventually working toward a body suit, that I would know more than what I really do. When it comes to family tattooing, for example "the Horitoshi family", are they legitimate family, or is it sort of an honorary title for being an apprentice? And when does the Horitoshi name get passed down? Does Horitoshi 1 bestow it on his death bed? Retirement? Will there ever be a Horitoshi 2, or a Horiyoshi 4? I am super far from being knowledgeable about this so treat my recommendations with a good amount of skepticism, but I'd recommend Horitaka's Bushido: Legacies of the Japanese Tattoo to begin with. It's really focused on Horiyoshi 3 but I think it gives a pretty good overview of traditional Japanese tattooing, it covers the nomenclature of it, it has a lot of beautiful photos of Horiyoshi 3's tattoos, and it's pretty inexpensive and easy to buy. I'd also pay attention to Crystal Morey and Gomineko Books. She sells a lot of reference books for tattooers and publishes books herself. I am currently waiting to receive a book she published about Horiyoshi 3 and his relationship to Japanese Buddhism that looks pretty amazing. Crystal is also super cool and knowledgeable and travels around to a lot of conventions and is always super helpful. Her instagram is worth following too because she posts a lot of flipthroughs of the books she sells. She'll also sometimes offer sales on the books she publishes...up to 50% off kind of stuff...so they're really good deals. ironchef, Duffa, dharmakaya and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fala Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 It is my understanding that when Horiyoshi III retires (for example), he'll pass the mantle onto his chosen successor, who will then take on the name Horiyoshi IV. I believe Horiyoshi III's successor will be his son. The "family" is the name of the master/teacher and subsequent apprentices (current/former.) The names are "hori" which means to etch/engrave and then the latter part is some kind of play, typically, of the tattooer's name - to then create a new name for the tattooer to work under/as. So it's partly a "real" name and partly a created one. I know very very little about this subject as well, am looking forward to learning more about this too. I got Horitaka's Ukiyo-e and tattoos book last month, nice read and photos. ironchef 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I am super far from being knowledgeable about this so treat my recommendations with a good amount of skepticism, but I'd recommend Horitaka's Bushido: Legacies of the Japanese Tattoo to begin with. It's really focused on Horiyoshi 3 but I think it gives a pretty good overview of traditional Japanese tattooing, it covers the nomenclature of it, it has a lot of beautiful photos of Horiyoshi 3's tattoos, and it's pretty inexpensive and easy to buy. I'd also pay attention to Crystal Morey and Gomineko Books. She sells a lot of reference books for tattooers and publishes books herself. I am currently waiting to receive a book she published about Horiyoshi 3 and his relationship to Japanese Buddhism that looks pretty amazing. Crystal is also super cool and knowledgeable and travels around to a lot of conventions and is always super helpful. Her instagram is worth following too because she posts a lot of flipthroughs of the books she sells. She'll also sometimes offer sales on the books she publishes...up to 50% off kind of stuff...so they're really good deals. I bought that Horiyoshi 3 and Buddhism book too from Crystal...nothing beats a SALE!!! Lance 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistTowelette Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 i agree with horitoshi I and horitomo are my fav tebori artists at the moment. also loving horiei shinsu's work lately. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I'm going to ask some stupid questions, but first are there any good documentaries, books, or other media where I can learn more about Japanese tattooing that anyone can recommend? I have gleaned a lot from this forum alone, but I just want to learn more.You might think that since I have a back piece, and I'm eventually working toward a body suit, that I would know more than what I really do. When it comes to family tattooing, for example "the Horitoshi family", are they legitimate family, or is it sort of an honorary title for being an apprentice? And when does the Horitoshi name get passed down? Does Horitoshi 1 bestow it on his death bed? Retirement? Will there ever be a Horitoshi 2, or a Horiyoshi 4? I'm no expert. I defer to any artist or non who can lead you in a better direction. Traditional Japanese can be hard to understand because there are certain things only done in a particular fashion by a particular Family in a specific region. There are Family differences and regional ones.A good example might be how low the back piece extends or how much the chest is covered. Some extend just above the nipple, while others cover the whole pectoral. What might be right and proper in the south and for one particular Family could vary widely from say a Family located in the northern region of Japan. That said I really enjoy these books below (there are many more out there too): Bushido by Horitaka Studying Horiyoshi III by Jill Mandelbaum Horitoshi I by Roberto Borsi Bunshin II (about Horitsune II) published by Tätowier Magazin A History of Japanese Body Suit Tattooing (focuses on Horikazu) by Mark Poysden & Marco Bratt Horikazu published by Edition Reuss Also I haven't seen a copy yet but "Wabori" appears like it might be interesting. There was a post on a few days ago under the media section. I believe iron chef posted it. Horikitsune's books look like they might be worth an investment too. But I've never actually had the chance to see them. Sorry, too lazy to post the actual links. I'll have to let you do some legwork. ironchef, Graeme and Cork 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhell Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I'm going to ask some stupid questions, but first are there any good documentaries, books, or other media where I can learn more about Japanese tattooing that anyone can recommend? I have gleaned a lot from this forum alone, but I just want to learn more.You might think that since I have a back piece, and I'm eventually working toward a body suit, that I would know more than what I really do. When it comes to family tattooing, for example "the Horitoshi family", are they legitimate family, or is it sort of an honorary title for being an apprentice? And when does the Horitoshi name get passed down? Does Horitoshi 1 bestow it on his death bed? Retirement? Will there ever be a Horitoshi 2, or a Horiyoshi 4? http://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/tattoo-tv-shows-documentaries-media/4760-horithoshi-i-full-documentary.html Cork, Diehardonvhs and ironchef 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cork Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Thanks for the input guys. And dammit I saw that documentary in the other section, what a tease those subtitles aren't English. ironchef 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironchef Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm no expert. I defer to any artist or non who can lead you in a better direction. Traditional Japanese can be hard to understand because there are certain things only done in a particular fashion by a particular Family in a specific region. There are Family differences and regional ones.A good example might be how low the back piece extends or how much the chest is covered. Some extend just above the nipple, while others cover the whole pectoral. What might be right and proper in the south and for one particular Family could vary widely from say a Family located in the northern region of Japan. That said I really enjoy these books below (there are many more out there too):Bushido by Horitaka Studying Horiyoshi III by Jill Mandelbaum Horitoshi I by Roberto Borsi Bunshin II (about Horitsune II) published by Tätowier Magazin A History of Japanese Body Suit Tattooing (focuses on Horikazu) by Mark Poysden & Marco Bratt Horikazu published by Edition Reuss Also I haven't seen a copy yet but "Wabori" appears like it might be interesting. There was a post on a few days ago under the media section. I believe iron chef posted it. Horikitsune's books look like they might be worth an investment too. But I've never actually had the chance to see them. Sorry, too lazy to post the actual links. I'll have to let you do some legwork. I really want that Horitoshi I book. Is it available anywhere online at a decent price? Found a local shop that has it in stock, but at an inflated price. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Hmm, perhaps Horizakura is selling a few copies? I don't know for sure. I say that because I purchased mine at Diamond Club and I can remember seeing Brian Kaneko selling them as well. I assume someone with a Horitoshi connection might be selling them. Otherwise maybe Diamond Club could ship you one. The book was really not pricey at all from my recollection. It's really nice too. - - - Updated - - - Hmm, perhaps Horizakura is selling a few copies? I don't know for sure. I say that because I purchased mine at Diamond Club and I can remember seeing Brian Kaneko selling them as well. I assume someone with a Horitoshi connection might be selling them. Otherwise maybe Diamond Club could ship you one. The book was really not pricey at all from my recollection. It's really nice too. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Sobel Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Cork, the term Family is used in a way that we here in the west don't really use it. It is not blood, but also not quite honrary either. In the japanese tattoo family, it is a very strong bond of duty and honor similar to a blood family that encompasses the sinsei and his apprentices. As far as the title being passed on, I can't give you specifics other than the title is passed while the master is alive. Titles are given to the tattooers once the master deems them appropriate. I was friends with a tattooer that was part ofthe Horitoshi family in the mid 90's, and at the time he was Horitoshi III. He apparently left the family and the title was bestowed on another in the family from what I heard. Cork and irezumi 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/4406-preferred-tebori-styles/#findComment-78898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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