YawkeyWay Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Living in Virginia a couple hours away from the largest naval base on the east coast, I'm wondering it it would be disrespectful for me to get a swallow tattoo with my daughters names in scroll. I know historical significance of the swallow tattoo in sailor lore showed experience at sea. I've never served, nor will I now, so I'll always be a Civilian. Give where Tattoos are today, has anyone heard or read if this would be disrespectful to those that served. FYI, both my grandfather and my wife's grandfather served in the Navy during WWII, so another reason I would want to respect this if it still holds strong meaning. The swallow represents my wife and the scroll our three daughters. I'm going to add a couple other elements. Yes I know swallows are trite these days, but I have always thought of my girls associated with birds. Besides I'm having my artist, not copy, but use elements from City and Colour Sometimes album cover as a starting point in our design http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/city_and_colour/sometimes_f2/ I've already told my artist I want a good old school traditional bird in mostly black and grey, not a swirly girly looking bird. I'll add the wolfs head to my other arm in a couple years. :) Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougetheeyes Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 FYI, both my grandfather and my wife's grandfather served in the Navy during WWII, so another reason I would want to respect this if it still holds strong meaning. You won't offend anyone and, if anything, that you've got strong ties to the Navy only seems to make it more special. Go for it dude. hogg 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 like gougetheeyes said, do it! Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatB Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I wouldn't worry too much about the "meaning" of any of the traditional tattoo images/designs because if you dig deep enough you will find that a single image can be tied to numerous groups and/or causes, some that you agree with and others that you want nothing to do with. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nallac94 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I agree with the previous posters. the tattoo is very personal to you, therefore I believe that the Traditional tattoo can mean whatever you want it to mean. The Swallow tattoo in particular is very ambiguous and has many meanings over the past century. Originally, it was tattooed on sailors for good luck, as seeing a swallow at sea indicated that land was nearby. Eventually, having a swallow tattoo was seen as a career-landmark for the sailor as he got the swallow tattoo after sailing a certain amount of miles I believe. In WW2, as you already mentioned, many sailors, and soldiers even, in the US military got the traditional swallow tattooed on themselves, sometimes with a sweetheart's name in a banner accompanying it. In Britain in the 60's, 70's and 80's, however, it was associated with 'hard-men', who would have it tattooed on their necks, or on their hands. Traditionally, a swallow tattoo on each hand indicated that "these fists fly" or that they had done time in prison. The Swallow tattoo is also a symbol for love and loyalty, as swallows choose one mate for life. Swallows also return home every year, so a swallow tattoo might indicate that the person wearing the tattoo feels a deep emotional connection to their hometown. I plan to have a swallow tattooed on each shoulder blade soon, as a symbol for loyalty and also because I personally love the tattoo and it's history. Mark Bee 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YawkeyWay Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Thank you all for the positive responses! I can't wait for my second session at Acme Staunton with Tim Forbus this Thursday. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tittleton Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 As much as I wish most Navy tattoos were closely guarded as old Navy tattoos, I understand that it's not my place to judge anyone wearing them. Of course if they were claiming the "earned" 'em that'd be a whole different story. Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nallac94 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Thank you all for the positive responses! I can't wait for my second session at Acme Staunton with Tim Forbus this Thursday. Post pictures please Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-60892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YawkeyWay Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 All said and done, I had a great session with Tim Forbus at Acme Tattoo Staunton on Thursday. Inner bicep, which wasn't as nearly as painful as I thought it would be. Couldn't be happier with the design. The blue rose is skewed due to the bend in my arm. Mark Bee, else, Ray Karpis and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-61383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nallac94 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Beautiful Quote Link to comment https://www.lastsparrowtattoo.com/forum/t/3516-are-swallow-tattoos-still-closely-tied-to-the-navy/#findComment-61624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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